Furniture for kitchen

I couldn't stand in that corner, by the sink and right work surface.

Why?

but the question remains with the dishes, I wash it with my hands.

Is it okay that PMM is planned in the Patchouli kitchen?

It's another matter if the bread maker is put in place of the rack with knives, and its place is used as a cutting table, but the question remains with the dishes

Oh, your eyes are really bad ...
On the photo there is a surface where a knife holder is 60 cm deep. A surface where either a multicooker or a bread machine is 30. The knife holder takes up negligible space on the table. I have one. 11x6 cm. It is light and it is not a problem to move it to the wall or rearrange it. Certainly easier than a slow cooker and a bread maker.
Well, on which surface is it more convenient to work, a depth of 60 or a depth of 30?
There are knives in the photo precisely because the surface near the sink is deeper and more convenient. Well, for some reason they left the stand in the center of the table. She won't stand like that when the hostess needs to cut something. Will move.

As for Patchouli, you can use a niche to the left of the entrance to the kitchen for all sorts of bread makers, multicooker, microwave ovens.

Why?

Because there is a remote corner, without access to fresh air!

Is it okay that PMM is planned in the Patchouli kitchen?

Is it nothing that I am writing about my feelings?

Oh, your eyes are really bad ...

It's not about the eye, with a stand with knives, I just marked the side where I would move the equipment in order to free up a suitable (for me) place for work. By the way, the width of the countertops cannot be determined from the photo.

Well, on which surface is it more convenient to work, 60 deep or 30 deep?

If it is so narrow, then you can make a retractable tabletop.
For me, for example, a special board is installed on the upper drawer, sawn off from the main tabletop, and thus, if necessary, the working surface of the kitchen increases, and then everything is removed and you can dance again.

Because there is a remote corner, no fresh air!

Come on, exaggerate that. According to this logic, the corridor, bathroom, closets, corners of rooms farthest from the window are like a "gas chamber" where fresh air does not enter.

I have no idea.

The wiki quote book claims that Sergei Pavlovich Korolev is the author of the catchphrase: "You criticize someone else's, offer your own. When offering - do it." 🔗
There is nothing to offer - why should a person play on his nerves, that a kitchen niche in a new apartment is supposedly bad, and brains to punch, that supposedly kitchen furniture 50-60 cm from the window is horrible how stuffy, especially if you have never used a kitchen-niche ?
By the way, some people build specially similar niches in large free redevelopment apartments, it is more convenient for them.
And in large kitchens-living rooms in private houses, the working area is even farther from the window, it happens. And it's not stuffy, it's not stuffy.

Come on, exaggerate that. According to this logic, the corridor, bathroom, closets, corners of rooms farthest from the window are like a "gas chamber" where fresh air does not enter.

Yes, but no one stands there for as long as at the stove, sink, or cutting table. By the way, a gas stove, an acre of air heating, also consumes oxygen, and an air conditioner can only cool, but not refresh the air.
And my rooms are all blown out, since the apartment is a vest. And it draws a draft from the kitchen, if you open a window / window in the back room.

By the way, some people build specially similar niches in large free redevelopment apartments, it is more convenient for them.

And what, should I accept someone else's choice? I absolutely do not like it and I wrote about it.

"You criticize someone else's, offer your own.

No, according to the suggestions here we have you a generator of ideas.
And I sometimes fit in with only my five kopecks.

Already posted a photo. The working area of ​​the kitchen-living room in a private house is being assembled.

One more module on the right and the window are not included in the frame. The total length of the long side of the "corner" for the kitchen is about 4.5 meters, the short side is 2.6.
The area of ​​the room is about 35 sqm. Gas stove, oven. And the owners of the kitchen do not suffer at all, which is about 3.9 meters from the stove to the window. No, the owner of the kitchen was a little upset that the kitchen-living room was too small.

By the way, a gas stove, an acre of air heating, also consumes oxygen, and an air conditioner can only cool, but not refresh the air.

And where does the gas stove, if the photo is electric, and Patchouli will also have an electric induction?

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Room area about 35 sqm... Gas stove, oven. And the owners of the kitchen do not suffer at all, which is about 3.9 meters from the stove to the window.

Fine!
Well, now think about how fast this "kitchenette" and my five-meter, with the same "heating devices" will warm up.

and my five-meter

And here is 5 sq. m., if Patchouli has a larger kitchen, and not gasified, with a two-burner induction cooking, moreover, with a window on the kitchen floor? And in the photo about which you expressed the opinion that the working area of ​​the kitchen will be "stuffy" under some kind of huge window. There, judging by the setting and shooting angle, there is also a kitchen-living room or a kitchen-dining room.
The photographer had to step back from the headset no less than 1-1.5 meters to get everything into the frame.

I looked ... Galina, this is not criticism, this is about soft and green ...

One "writer" of this topic has everything about soft and green. Sometimes such theoretical fabrications that you can't pull on your ears ...
In Patchouli's kitchen, I liked the one-line option and the refrigerator by the door. It will actually be convenient. The variant with a P-nook, there is no movement of air currents. I really lived in the living room, where the kitchen was made, separating part of the hallway. Despite the ventilation duct in the hallway, there was nothing to breathe. It is clear that there was no gas in the hallway ... I do not advise P without a window, a branch channel and with small distances between P.

One "writer" of this topic has everything about soft and green.

Lack of attention will ever let you down. )))
Here they missed in a stupid way due to inattention, got into an author whom you really like to read.
The basement boxes, due to the value of the legs of the hostess standing in the working area, were rejected by the most practical practitioners, and not by some newcomers to the topic. ))))

Sometimes such theoretical fabrications that you can't pull on your ears ...

But how can such writers care about your conclusions about electric built-in ovens and their installation in furniture. Owners of columns with electric ovens are now frantically looking for an opportunity to put a hood over the column and remake the furniture they bought to provide the "correct" gaps in your opinion. The owners of tables for building in electric ovens and inserts above them are puzzled by the same - they are urgently looking for an opportunity to move their "stove" away from the wall. Dropping the slippers, they run after the tool in order to cut the table, into which the cooking is embedded, and push the "incorrectly" installed equipment forward, the "plate" should stand with a larger gap from the wall, and this gap should be "incorrectly" closed with something.

I really lived in the living room, where the kitchen was made, separating part of the hallway.

And here are the hotel-type apartments of an insignificant area?

Lena Biju answered you, yes, if the oven is far from the ventilation duct, there is a smell, you need to ventilate.Anya writes that her window is constantly open, which means that she will not be embarrassed by the installation of a column in the corner opposite from the ventilation duct. And someone does not like drafts, he, she will be confused. In this case, they will open the window to a crack, the smell will go away slowly. Someone will not suit.
For the installation of electric ovens, microwave ovens in the cabinet, read the instructions.
I did not live in bedbugs and with bedbugs, you know better how it is ...
You put too much pressure on the acceptance of your options. But, you have no knowledge, experience, except for an easy user level of drawing in drawing machines ...
There are some principles of installation and placement of equipment and furniture in the kitchen that have been worked out over the years and are recognized by many. So, for example, according to logic, how a ready dish is obtained from products by actions. We got meat, vegetables, washed, cut, stove. In this approximate order and less treadmill in the kitchen. I do not argue, it is more convenient for someone in a different way... I will calmly accept their point of view. The minimum comfortable length of the working surface is 80cm, so that you can put something, a meat grinder, or a coffee maker, and cut it.
As for the column, it seems that you do not have the slightest idea about the air exchange in the kitchen, the movement of air flows ... This is also noticeable in the version with P.
You can also draw an elephant, but it won't be a kitchen, all the more convenient ...



And in general it did not have the goal of hurting someone, hitting someone ... We are not here at the battle, we are here sharing our experience and discussing calmly, without barbs at our opponents.

For the installation of electric ovens, microwave ovens in the cabinet, read the instructions.

Olya, don't reinvent the wheel, it was invented long ago.
Once again, built-in ovens are standard in-built dimensions.
For them, furniture manufacturers make table and column cases for embedding.

You put too much pressure on the acceptance of your options.

Yeah. I draw, for example, 6 options for Anchik for different tastes and direct press - choose all 6 at once.

There are some principles of installation and placement of equipment and furniture in the kitchen that have been worked out over the years and are recognized by many.

Yes Yes. For example, a gas stove at a distance of more than 1.2 meters from the sink and closer to corners, walls and windows, as you have, is a "wonderful", "convenient", "recognized by many" solution.
Large-sized objects on the line of movement into the room are also a "good" principle, worked out over the years.
Anya, whom you advised him to, however, blurted out something about the fact that she now has such a distance between the sink and the stove, and indeed it is better not to do more than 1.2 meters, and that they do not like corners on the line of movement, but she just doesn't get it right. Only a select few have experience, so she will not be able to choose something correctly from 3 kitchen concepts on her own. And Anya does not understand anything about corner sinks either, she bites on some terrible suggestions, from which her back will hurt.
It is necessary to save a person, otherwise she is like a little girl, in the presence of a self-made corner sink, for some reason wants to repeat this nightmare in her kitchen. And in the presence of an electric oven, he lets drool over the column with the oven.

[Olya]

In Patchouli's kitchen, I liked the one-line option and the refrigerator by the door.

Olya, I wanted to write about the refrigerator by the door on the left of Pachule, but she chose a rather large refrigerator and it simply will not fit there, judging by the data that is now. That is, 60x60 could fit if you move the doorway, as Patchula wrote, by 20cm. But she wants a 67x70 refrigerator.

And in the presence of an electric oven, he lets drool over the column with the oven.

And in the absence of a hood at all, I don't understand something at all about this epic with smells. If it were not for the soot from the gas, then I might not have installed the hood at all. But it is annoying that you have to wipe the furniture from soot on the tops. And that the dust cannot be brushed off just like that, it stuck.

and he simply will not fit there, judging by the data that is now.

It will fit, but if you put it in that corner, it will run into the door trim (you can fix it if you stick a module between the refrigerator and the wall with a door).
In addition, if the doorway is moved so that the angle to the left in the direction of travel to the kitchen increases, then the entrance to the kitchen will be closer to the dirty area of ​​the hallway and the front door.
So without redevelopment, it seems that the cold weather will best fit in the corner near the ventilation box.

[Anya,]

But it is annoying that it is necessary to scrub the furniture on the tops of soot.

Anya, if you close the tops of the furniture with cling film, then you do not need to wash anything, once a month (or even less often) change the film and that's it)

Thanks to everyone who watched my kitchen. Opinions and criticism are important to me, because you can twist and instruct this ...
While I answer - the apartment is not an apartment, but an ordinary "cheloveinik" - 6 sections of a residential complex of comfort class.
The windows are NOT panoramic.
As for the height of the window sill, I can't measure it yet, but I was already visiting the section in which they let me in for repairs.
For example - In the photo, the dimensions of the kitchen wall to the window are slightly different (but I think that the height to the window should be the same throughout the house) and the kitchen is factory-made. 86 cm (window sill 40 centimeters wide by eye. My A4 sheet lay diagonally and there was still room)
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With the width of the corridor - I'll try in the evening.
In the meantime, here I figured out several options. I ask you to comment and criticize.
As for the cabinet near the sink - 25 cm is not much, but it will be possible to put, for example, oils or chemicals. And will it align-extend the side wall so that a niche does not form when the dishes and the refrigerator are washed, as it were, along the same line with this cabinet?
And at the top - the lower shelf (see 20) to close the porcelain stoneware tiles and where the shelf in the upper cabinet is to make a 20 cm false panel and 50 cm. drying?
And put behind the door either a type of column with an oven and a microwave oven or a type of rack (with a microwave oven, and an oven under the stove)?
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In the direction of the ventilation box, the door, I think, can be moved by a maximum of 10-15 cm. Because there is a really dirty area on the way and there are still communications.
In the photo in the corridor - in front of a white wall from the front door 56 cm, then a turn - communications, just a wall and you can see the entrance from the corridor to the kitchen. So far so ...
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close the tops of furniture with cling film,

Class! Thanks for the idea.
And we lay the newspapers.

And here is 5 sq. m.

Despite the fact that this is my footage and I evaluate the options exclusively from my bell tower, I do not generalize and do not impose my point of view on anyone.It is too late for me to change my preferences, as it is sung in one song - and I do not change my wives or beliefs.
You are in vain holding a meeting and wasting your time on me, just say - don't like it, don't eat - and move on.

[Patchouli_ t123]

And at the top - the lower shelf (see 20) to close the porcelain stoneware tiles and where the shelf in the upper cabinet is to make a 20 cm false panel and 50 cm. drying?

Open shelves in the kitchen are evil.
Since you have this option not with a full-fledged corner sink, but with a stripped-down one, the shelves at the top will interfere with the work at the sink and create a "dead corner" in the upper shelves as well.
It is better not to cut the underframe under the sink more than up to 80 cm; it is better to move the bowl in such a truncated corner sink as far as possible from the wall of the ventilation box.
As for the extension between the sink and the refrigerator - decide for yourself, it's just that it's so short and narrow that its functionality turns out to be weak.
You can't put anything on top of the table "forever", because it turns out close to the elbow when you stand at the sink.
As a surface near the refrigerator, on which something can be laid out, it will not play a big role either, because a refrigerator with a countertop of standard depth is obtained half a meter from the sink and the nearest work surface, that is, at a distance less than an outstretched arm.
Like a table for a trash can - the depth is too small, and the trash can is actually more convenient not in tables, but on the floor, just not every kitchen has a place for such a trash.
It is better to tile the box entirely, or at least in those places where it will be visible, and not scanty to the height of the apron, then it will look good.
It will also look good if the box is painted and the skin is attached in the color of the paint along the sink and extension.
Coating is cheaper.
There was a photo in the subject, it seems Zeamays brought it, with the whole box tiled with tiles. Rewind the topic, take a look.

Despite the fact that this is my footage and I evaluate the options exclusively from my bell tower, I do not generalize and do not impose my point of view on anyone

5 sq. m. is a completely different room with different dimensions compared to the Patchouli kitchen and even compared to the U-shaped kitchen, the photo of which horrified you so much.

I ask you to comment and criticize.

It shouldn't be for experienced ones to break their eyes, looking at the dimensions in your pictures, and even more so, to read all your messages in order to figure out how large your kitchen is, where and what size is the kitchen window, which is not shown on the plan, and the location of which you described verbally in one of the messages.




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And we compare how the lined boxes look in full or in the visible part in the photos above, and what a partially lined box looks like in the photo with the U-shaped kitchen:

Well, yes ... Transitions on the plane slightly hurt the eye. The question arises, but at least they did not bring the box to the end. Well, and at the horizontal transition from white to brown, some kind of volumetric separator suggests itself.
You can try in the top row to count the not very wide bezel on the side of the wall cabinet adjacent to the box (it is actually recommended by furniture makers there).
And if the toad presses the box entirely, then stick some kind of decorative strip along the border of the tile and paint / wallpaper, which will abut against the false panel.



Patchouli_ t123, but in the picture with the pencil case between the refrigerator and the ventilation box, you have something unreal at all.
Pencil case 40, it has a microwave and an oven. In my opinion, there is no such technique in nature that can fit into such a pencil case.
There are 45 built-in ovens, but there are very few of them.
And under a non-built small microwave oven it is better from a 60 cm wide shelf. And it's even better when the microwave does not need to be shoved into the shelf.

[Patchouli_ t123]

Open shelves in the kitchen are evil.

I know that :-)
And 2 shelves may be overkill, and one lower shelf was stuck on purposely to cleanly close the seam and make it less conspicuous, well, for the remote control ... and how did I connect 2 parts of the headset - before and after the box.
About the facing of the box, I'll see how you can apply it to yourself in the drawing at the weekend.

Experienced people did not stop breaking their eyes, looking at the dimensions in your pictures, and even more so, to read all your messages in order to figure out how large your kitchen is, where and what size is the kitchen window, which is not shown on the plan, and the location of which you described verbally in one of the messages.

:-)
About the window ... I thought I had it beautiful and comfortable - wide and large - and I really like the table under the window.
And I had no questions for him. Or do you need to pay attention to something?
Here I sketched approximately (I missed a couple, see)
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Patchouli_ t123, but in the picture with the pencil case between the refrigerator and the ventilation box, you have something unreal at all.
Pencil case 40, it has a microwave and an oven. In my opinion, there is no such technique in nature that can fit into such a pencil case.
There are 45 built-in ovens, but there are very few of them.
And under a non-built small microwave oven it is better from a 60 cm wide shelf. And it's even better when the microwave does not need to be shoved into the shelf.

It's like a 45 cm column, and 44 cm microwave ovens are on sale. Only even this will not fit into the column.
I realized it doesn't work.
Then look in the direction of the linear kitchen 2250 and the refrigerator that is separately standing behind the box, and the place for the microwave outside the door.?

[Patchouli_ t123]

was already a guest in the section in which they were allowed to repair.

If they are still allowed, I advise you to inquire in what form were the partitions in the apartment when receiving the keys, and also what were the partitions from.In open-plan new buildings, it happens that developers put interior partitions up to the ceiling, and sometimes they spread them to a height of 1 block or 1 brick. The newcomer can either report further on the wall, or he can demolish the blocks and put the wall in his own way.
It also happens that the walls from the developer in a residential building similar to your house turn out to be made of material with very poor sound insulation. For example, from thin hollow tongue-and-groove slabs. And those who want silence have to demolish such partitions and put others.



Even with ventilation boxes, it can be different in new buildings. Sometimes it is possible to rebuild the box and win a few centimeters. This is when the ventilation in the performance of the developer is vertical tin pipes and boxes, which are surrounded by brick or block lining.
Some newcomers disassemble the lining around the cans and put them again, as a result gaining very few centimeters in plus to the room.
Also ask how the ventilation boxes are arranged in the house.

In the beauty of what a new building and ventilation.




Someone tried to soundproof the ventilation tins:

The photo still shows the wonderful location of the sewer riser, which happens in the kitchen in a new building with an open plan. The future newcomer sits like this all in dreams, draws plans, moves the doorway to the kitchen in the pictures, thinks that he has a riser in the corner. And then he gets the keys and "tadam! Congratulations, you won a surprise from the developer!" sewer riser near the doorway. And you can't just move the opening, as you dreamed, but also the box will have to be built around the sewer riser, no one wants to leave such a beauty in plain sight.

Then look in the direction of the linear kitchen 2250 and the refrigerator that is separately standing behind the box, and the place for the microwave outside the door.?

With the 60th refrigerator, there is a refrigerator, and a small microwave on a table 50 cm wide.
But after all, the partition between the room and the kitchen can be moved, since the apartment is open-plan. Only this is what happens if you move the partition, without a normal measurement plan you cannot tell.
You can also not put the door to the kitchen, make an arched opening, then. maybe everything will fit.
And the door can also be put in an ugly way, without flanging, then it also seems to fit in.

Have you already seen your apartment alive? Are the dimensions on the kitchen plan you posted from your apartment?

And I had no questions for him. Or do you need to pay attention to something?

Normal window. About "it is not proper for experienced people to break their eyes, looking at the dimensions in your pictures" - it was sarcasm.
Some women participating in the topic, for some reason, do not bother studying the size and characteristics of a particular room, for which someone or they themselves propose some solutions.

"A U-shaped dead-end kitchen is bad, especially in a living room, there will be no ventilation. The option with a kitchen in a line - I like it, there are no problems with ventilation."
And the fact that your room is larger than the kitchen in the living room, and of such a form that the linear set is in the same supposedly "unventilated" dead end is ignored.
The fact that the width of the kitchen in the photo, which I brought with Avito to show the principle itself, is clearly already yours, is also not noticed for some reason.
You will write 100 times - "I drew options with a column for the oven, because Anya asked about them. Until I asked and there were no dimensions in fact, I did not offer a column, because the number of working surfaces decreases with it. The column is a matter of individual preferences, Someone definitely needs a column, but there will be a minimum of working surfaces, someone vice versa. For Anya, options with and without a column are drawn. "
And all the same, every page pops up something like: "Why is the column imposed on Anya?" or vice versa: "Anya, consider the option with a column, since you are dreaming about it."

Patchouli_ t123, these are the tips you can find on the websites of different furniture factories and chain building stores where kitchens are sold.
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The door, which is adjacent to the wall, when opened, will rest against the wall with the handle and over time a dent and traces from the handle will form in this place. Therefore, it is recommended to indent 5-7 cm, and close the gap formed with a false panel made of the facade material. At the same time, the table top reaches the wall.

In small kitchens, this advice can be difficult to follow. But it is better to make a false panel at least as thick as a chipboard sheet (16-20 mm) between the outer cabinet and the wall.

4. If the kitchen is connected at a right angle, the drawer in the corner can only be installed with a plank from the corner (min. Plank size 5cm). Otherwise, the drawer will rest against the handle when sliding out. The second option is not to install a handle on the corner door, but to open the door using the Push-to-open mechanism (pressed-opened).

You also don't always follow this advice. Plank 5 cm wide - they advise "universal" size, suitable for handles of any height. And the handle can be lower, or not protruding at all relative to the facade. That is, the bezel at the corner should be no less than the handle height + a small margin of at least a few millimeters.
In my current factory corner kitchen, corner bezels are 26mm and handle heights are 22mm.
This is information for you in case you are going to pile up the extension to the sink.

3. It is recommended to leave 50-60cm of free surface between the hob or stove.

This, according to inexperienced furniture manufacturers, is the necessary minimum between washing and cooking. More, up to 1.2 meters is possible. Less is not desirable.

I asked a friend from this house for an example of a photo of partitions and ventilation. boxes

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I haven't been to my apartment yet, but I got hold of the real size. Not all, but many.
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And the required size of the corridor was just not there.
I didn't quite figure out where to set the dimensions in the program and I had to poke around with the mouse, it didn't quite work out exactly. I figured out the known dimensions to calculate the corridor, it turns out to the bathroom 140, to the kitchen 150.
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There is no way with a measurement plan yet.
I already have a tape measure at the ready :-)
By the end of the month, they "plan" to rent the house and a decent movement has begun. I really hope, because, as it is, they were detained decently. And again the question is - repairs are normal in the winter and will the putties-plasters dry out?
I talked to the masters, they said that the repair will take about 3 months.

I thought about how to bring a 70x67 refrigerator into the kitchen if there is a door in the kitchen with a 70 cm canvas, which barely opens at 90 degrees. We'll have to remove the door in the cold to skid.
You may also need to remove the doorknob.
And before buying it alive, watch the cold weather and make sure that with the doors removed, it "loses weight" up to 60-63 cm in thickness. According to the pictures of the model you named, it seems, after removing the doors, the refrigerator should "lose weight" so much, but it is better to check it on a living refrigerator.

The light opening in the box under the 70th door is approximately 68 cm. Approximately 2 cm is eaten by the bobbins on the sides of the box. However, across the opening there is still a door leaf, which is about 40 mm thick.
This means that in fact the width of the passage to the kitchen will turn out to be about 64 cm, or even a little less.
I have the 70th door to the kitchen, but I can't measure it for sure, I forgot the tape measure in our other apartment, only the folding meter ruler remained at home.

In short, the assembled refrigerator will not fit into the 70th door.

Or shaman with the door - put the canvas not 70, but 80 (nafig you don't really need such a big burdock in the kitchen). Or, instead of a door, make a portal from platbands and addons. 🔗

Or, in general, simply arrange a rectangular opening, but its corners will be syavkal, a portal from platbands and extensions is better.

Well, here I am, all three!
Today a furniture maker came and drew a drawing like this. Upset that the dishwasher does not shine for me, because it will not rise in height. I did an electrician BEFORE I decided not to leave a tongue on the floor, but throw a laminate on top, so 1.5 cm was added

I now also have a 70cm refrigerator, only Liebher. When they brought it in, they took something off. Like a door in the kitchen, it was just a long time ago.

how to bring a refrigerator 70x67 into the kitchen,

Very simple. First bring the refrigerator, then put the box. Doors are the final finish

added 1.5 cm

and because of this without PMM? Nah, you need to think of something.
Well, at a glance
raise furniture by 1.5 cm.
remove the laminate, the square under the PMM, and then it will hide behind the plinth

[Patchouli_ t123]

Patchouli_ t123, I do not have a liebcher 70 cm wide. I have a Liebherr with a width of 60. And my mother has a freezer with a width of 60. Both are neat at the back, the tubes do not protrude relative to the body. But both have visors above the doors and under the doors. Therefore, the refrigerator above and below does not lose weight when the doors are removed.
Bosch, whose model you named, does not seem to have such visors. In general, you need to be more careful when choosing a model, and do not forget about the nuances of skidding. A refrigerator with a height of 203 cm will not pass without tilting into a standard door with a door leaf 200 cm high.
True, if you are fans of high interior doors and are going to put doors with a canvas 210 cm high, then you will not have to tilt the refrigerator.

First bring the refrigerator, then put the box. Doors are the final finish

Yeah. And if for some reason it is necessary to take out the refrigerator, but it does not fit through the door installed after, then you can adjust either the refrigerator or the door with an ax.




No, no ... Putting a box after a skid is not a good option. I'm already in the topic about adventures when a full-size washing machine was brought into the 60th door. Due to inexperience (they didn't buy washing machines every day, even in the 90s), when choosing a typewriter, they did not take into account the moment of how to bring the typewriter into the bathroom. I had to remove the door and box, bring the car, put the door and box back.
And now she still stands there unbearable. It turned out to be good, tenacious, did not break for decades, only recently the bearing flew, replaced and plowed again. The master did not advise changing the machine to a new one. He said that now they don't make such an unkillable solid technique. I asked to inform if we decide to change, I wanted to buy.
And if it broke down to an unrepairable state and had to be changed, then again I would have to remove the door and the box and then put it back.

or door

The door is simpler)))
But why think about the bad ?.
I have GE. The biggest one. The door to the kitchen is 60 cm. And I had to give up the refrigerator that I dreamed about for almost 10 years?
If you remove the doors from it, it will still not go through the door.
GAT broke.
They removed the platbands. They cut off the box. (masters fixed on foam). They took off the doors cold. Brought out the carcass. A week later they brought it. Well, everything was done in the reverse order.
They put the door frame on the foam again. The platbands were all closed. Only I have no thresholds. The floor is on the same level everywhere. Boxes with letter P

It seems to me that I have decided on the doors. Looked at the beauty here. Both color and shape :-).
Only imagination is not enough for a color picture of the entire apartment.
High doors will probably not be pretty. Ceilings 270-10 on the ceiling and floor = 260 if not less.
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And they tilt the refrigerator just to fit in the width.

Today a furniture maker came and drew a drawing like this.

And what is this open niche at the top? Can't they do it without it?

It seems to me that I have decided on the doors. Looked at the beauty here. Both color and shape :-).

Normal door, good color. I think it will be very practical.

And I had to give up the refrigerator that I dreamed about for almost 10 years?

You just need to think about how the technique will be brought in and out. And, if possible, come up with so that the check-in was without problems.

And what is this open niche at the top? Can't they do it without it?

Maybe I wanted it so

] and because of this without PMM? Nah, you need to come up with something.
Well, at a glance
raise furniture by 1.5 cm.
remove the laminate, the square under the PMM, and then it will hide behind the plinth

Probably, you can even make cuts in the laminate under the legs, only then I will not have a locker for the pots at all .. Yes, and I am screaming, to be honest in the country with a dishwasher. I can't imagine if it can be drained dry for the winter .. this is the main thing because of which I especially did not count on her

[Aunt Besya]

There is no way with a measurement plan yet.

And the guards won't let you in with yellow or red passes?




Aunt Besya, but do you really need such a complex top row?
It seems to me that two shelves of 80 each with the same 40 hinged fronts between the refrigerator and a shelf with an exhaust hood will be simpler, more reliable, cheaper, more functional and prettier.

[Elena]

can it be drained dry for the winter ..

Then yes. Problematic. You can merge, but it's a lot of dancing. Once it didn’t drain completely, or rather, didn’t check it the next day, and in the spring I had to change the pipes and pump.
But two neighbors are fine. Also, they only come sometimes. Elena, then he can refuse.

[renard]

renard, next to the refrigerator, this gas lift dryer opens upwards. But I am small in stature and I do not need such a tall dryer, anyway I will not reach its top shelf. The option with a stepladder / stool and a chair was not considered from the word at all. But the upper open shelf for some little things will do quite well. There are things that are needed once a year. In the same way, the next cabinet is the bottom on the gas lift, there will be spices, salt and sugar, in general, what should be at hand, and at the top a replenished (not strategic) stock of cereals, pasta .. Shelf with containers for cereals will be below, after the sink. I give the rest of the space in this cabinet to pots, because there are not many of them, I cook mostly in cartoons. Cutting boards under the stove in the plinth, and in the pans, alas, you will have to shove into the stove
I am very annoyed by the completely useless cabinet above the hood, there is zero sense in it, because there the corrugation will almost take the whole place.
Completely slowed down with the choice of the color of the facades and countertops. The walls are light wood, the arch into the kitchen is Italian walnut, the cornice is also something so reddish, in the overall picture it looks like an arch. Luminaires, so that they were with wood elements, only light ones were found. And the laminate is stained oak. So what?
It is necessary that the kitchen is not lost on the light walls and that no more flowers are added. Roughly speaking, now there is (with shades) in the kitchen: white (ceiling, walls), brown and brown-red (floor, arch, cornice) and light fixtures, but slightly yellow ... like alder, something ..
While I believe that she d. B. white, and the table top, cornice and basement are either in the tone of the floor or in the tone of the arch. Appliances (hood, oven) question .. white or black? I haven't seen white gas stoves ..

[Elena]

Elena, and the stove is stationary or the stove is gas, the oven is electricity?

There is balloon gas, a 2-burner stove. electric oven for 45

maybe in that color?
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Is there an oven and stove? Or you have to buy.

renard, next to the refrigerator is a gas lift dryer that opens up. But I am small in stature and I do not need such a tall dryer, anyway I will not reach its top shelf.

And what prevents to put a dryer in the high building below, and put a shelf above it, and close it all with a facade?
Good lifts will cost more than hinges, and they will eat more space inside the cabinet. And cheap lifts won't last long.
In the kitchen that I now use, there are niches uncovered by the facade for small things, which are often used, and behind which, as I thought when ordering the kitchen, it is inconvenient to climb into the shelf closed by the facade every time - a jar of tea, a jar with hibiscus, jars of herbs , a sugar bowl, a small teapot, a jar of salt, a jar of peppercorns, a jar of lavrushka, a box of spice bags, pills that my husband and I take every day. Not simple, of course, jars, but those that, as it seemed to me, are not shameful to display in plain sight.
the body from the shelf is 92 cm high, the top is closed by the facade 72, the bottom is an uncovered niche 20 cm high.
At first I liked these niches. Then they got sick of it, because dust collects on open shelves (shelves with niches with 72 facades in this kitchen I have 2 - one to the left of the "stove", the second to the right, the other facades 92). And swinging facades of different heights began to seem ugly.
I consider these niches to be my mistake. It was necessary to close everything with facades, they would not have broken open the shelf to get spices, a sugar bowl or tea. It’s also good, the kitchen is “Provence”, there are niches and other sources of srach like open shelves and roof rails, although they do not look so ridiculous as in minimalistic kitchens.
And yet I, with a height of 170 cm, do not reach the upper shelves in the 92nd shelves. I get up on a stool. If the open niches were at the top, and not at the bottom, as on your plan, they would be less functional for me, I would be less able to reach them. And then there would really be some kind of junk used once a year, covered with dust, to clean up which you would have to climb on a stool.

You already had some kind of kitchen with an upper row, as in the drawing, and in your country kitchen you are trying to repeat what was convenient for you in some other kitchen, or you have not tried this yet, and it seems to you that this is so will it be convenient?
As for the color of the kitchen - I vote for bely, I love light.

how to bring a typewriter into the bathroom. I had to remove the door and the box, bring the car, put the door and box back.

No problem! They took off the door in 3 minutes and also put it back in 3 minutes. The door frame was installed in the correct size of 60 cm, but the door itself prevented the car from squeezing when opening.
But there is a high-quality full-size washing machine and enjoys life with me

In general, during the repair, you immediately need to determine the size of the interior doors, even if at this stage it is not supposed to bring in or install something. This usually applies to the front door and kitchen. In our house, for example, the entrance doors are installed (throughout the house) 90 cm.

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, so even the bobbins eat off 1cm on each side. That is, the light opening for the 60th door: 60-1-1 = 58cm. Simply removing the door will not help to bring in a full-size clipper.



By the way, I never thought about adding a typewriter when buying it, but we only have a 50cm deep typewriter in our bathroom. Therefore, they always more or less entered door 60. But also not quite whistling.

You already had some kind of kitchen with an upper row, as in the drawing, and in your country kitchen you are trying to repeat what was convenient for you in some other kitchen,

As for the color of the kitchen - I vote for bely, I love light.

Yeah, that's right! I'm also thinking about light, but rather milk, milk-cream, vanilla ... well, something there

Just removing the door won't help

What I am writing about is to plan at the renovation stage what will be in the kitchen / toilet, what sizes, and put the doors based on this. And even without this, it is possible to install larger doors in advance, suggesting the acquisition of new things in the future, or the replacement of some of them. In the kitchen, there can be a door 70-80 cm. Easily, the entrance door is 90 cm. Even a bathroom-toilet can be placed 70 cm. Assuming in the future the replacement of the bathroom, the installation of a jacuzzi)) or the installation of a washing machine. If the doors are nicely decorated, they will look great.

maybe in that color?
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Is there an oven and stove? Or you have to buy.

no, you have to buy. I don’t even look at the branded ones, I’ll buy something budget Turkish. there used to be a freestanding gas stove, but I won't even try to clean it ... scary

But I have another question about the apron. At home I have glass, at the dacha I will not put tiles for sure, it means that either glass or the same table top remains. The furniture maker, whom I found the most affordable, said that no one works with glass in the city. .. how poorly I can imagine a table top that turns into an apron

Yeah, that's right! I'm also thinking about light, but rather milk, milk-cream, vanilla ... well, something there

Well, if you are used to such an upper row, and it does not bother you, then, of course, let it stay. Milk, milky cream, vanilla are also good colors.

Then look in the direction of the linear kitchen 2250 and the refrigerator separately standing behind the box, and the place for the microwave behind the door.?

Well yes. The simplest thing is something like this.
Kitchen in a line, with or without an extension, refrigerator in the corner by the ventilation box. To the left of the door in the direction of movement into the kitchen - some small shallow modules, one of which or one of which has a microwave. Slegonese inconvenient trajectory of movement from the refrigerator to the microwave turns out. But. but the more of these small shallow modules there are, the more equipment can be used.
In my kitchen, too, a niche is also to the left of the entrance, only deeper. I put an open shelf 35 cm deep into it. The whole wall. 2.1 meter shelf at a height of about 1.2 meters (I don't remember, I'm too lazy to try it on). On the shelf fit a music center with speakers, a small TV set, a 47 cm wide microwave oven and a few cookbooks and books on home economics and repair. The bottom under the shelf is empty, left so that you can put a folding floor dryer for clothes, or an ironing board, or rearrange the dining table there and put a folding bed when you need to separate and sleep in more than one room (when someone is sick, for example).
Since your niche to the left of the entrance is less deep, then leaving an empty space under it is probably pointless. If you do not move the door and destroy this niche, then you can close up a four-thread in the entire niche, suitable for installing small equipment and storage.
For example, shove a showcase with glass there, it will be quite appropriate there.
And if you still move the door and destroy the niche, then all the same, in the corner to the left of the window you can put something small, shallow, 0.8-1.2 meters wide, maybe with some kind of beveled end or radius element ...
The room from door to window is about 2.7 wide.
Roughly - 0.7 of them will take the refrigerator and the door. Remains 2 meters.
Well, still leave a place so that the furniture does not come out on the line of movement and it is free at the turn. Let's say 0.8-1 meters per passage and turn.
Remains 1-1.2 meters. Let's say we leave another 20 cm for the curtains.
In total, 0.8-1 meters, in which you can put a shallow table and / or shelf. Or some locker is not very high and not very deep. You can make a TV set in that corner, where it turns out lower, sitting at the table, throw your head back and you don't have to fold your neck when you watch TV.

how poorly I can imagine a tabletop turning into an apron

Lena, they made a tabletop at my mother's and made a wall panel of the same color. She is thin.

[Patchouli_ t123]

Patchouli_ t123, even simpler - you can move the door to the room. Make a blank wall opposite the entrance to the apartment, and the entrance to the room in another part of the corridor, closer to the door to the bathroom.
Then at night go closer from the room to the bathroom and not bend around the corner of the corridor. And the room is not visible from the front door.
And in the kitchen with this arrangement of the entrance to the kitchen and the entrance to the apartment, the door is still better to put. So that you can cover the kitchen when someone who you do not want to let in beyond the threshold of the front door comes into the apartment. So that they do not stare what is in the kitchen and in the room.



So far, these are simple fantasies, without attempts on the walls and a large redevelopment.
In general, the pens are itching to compose something with a dressing room and a bathroom even fatter, taking away part of the corridor for them after turning.

[Tatyana]

And again the question is - repairs are normal in the winter and the putties and plasters will dry out?

We did a similar renovation. Started in October. The walls were dried with heat guns.
Tatyana, if your residential complex already has rented houses, then you can see options for repairing and arranging furniture in the kitchen in olkh. That is, people have made repairs and are renting odnushki. You type your complex and look at the options for delivery with your own layout. There are a lot of pictures and mostly kitchens .....

how poorly I can imagine a tabletop turning into an apron

Lena, everything is fine. Country option. Just make a 70 cm table. It will be a little more expensive. Check that the depth of the drawers is full size. Yes, and why do you need to share a hob and oven? put on the stove. Honestly, I don’t understand these dances when there is a cooker on top and an oven under it. It's another matter when we carry in different directions. Insulation is better in slabs. Last longer

[Patchouli_ t123]

Patchouli_ t123, from delusional-insane in a foreign Pindos manner.
No, no, I don’t suggest it, because it’s very difficult and not for a conservative Russian who has exceeded half a dollar. Here some will be shocked by the fact that someone has an entrance to the bathroom from the bedroom. )))))
Fittings will begin to Khrushchebs, not "director's" Stalinists, early brezhnevkas and dormitories. ))))
The room is slaughtered in favor of the kitchen and turns into a small master bedroom. (This is what the Pindos like to do in private houses, "master bedroom", with access to the bathroom directly from the bedroom). The door to the bathroom from the room. In the part of the corridor after the turn there is a guest toilet. Connection to the sewage system by means of a solo lift.

We did a similar renovation. Started in October. The walls were dried with heat guns.

I also thought about heat guns, but I thought that maybe it dries up normally. Although it is better to keep an eye out in winter. At work, they once bought a summer garden heater-guns. Only during this time could their legs grow :-). I'll try to find out for the future from the head (suddenly it will be necessary) there is something to ask for temporary use or ...

In general, the handles are itching to compose something with a dressing room and a bathroom even fatter, taking away part of the corridor for them after turning.

This is what interested me very much. So far it is impossible to depict at least approximately for the sake of appearance?
And in the bathroom, you will still need to mix two cars (washing and drying - an apartment without a balcony).

knead two machines (washing and drying

Better, of course, in a column. And convenient, and less space.