Furniture for kitchen

[Patchouli_ t123]

And if the thought of leaving the bedroom to the bathroom sinks into the soul, and you want, like bourgeois, at night there were a few steps from the bed to the pot, after / before sex, so that you can go to the bathroom straight from the bed, or during critical days or toxic nausea, so that, too, from the bed to the amenities closer, then keep in mind that according to the Russian rules for redevelopment, you cannot leave the living room in a bathroom equipped with a toilet, if there is only one bathroom with a pot in the apartment.
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Paragraph 3.9 of SanPiN 2.1.2.2645-10 clearly states that it is forbidden to enter a room equipped with a toilet bowl from living rooms and kitchens, with the exception of an entrance from a bedroom to such a room, provided that there is a second room in the apartment equipped with a toilet bowl with an entrance from into it from the corridor or hallway. ...

I also thought about heat guns, but I thought that maybe it dries up normally.

In general, repairmen say that it is better when the plaster dries naturally, without the help of heat guns.




Patchouli_ t123, well, here's a prototype of a U-shaped kitchen.

You can say the layout is one step away from it. ))))

With a fashionable sink near the window, closer to natural light, but not under the window.
So that you, God forbid, do not suffocate in the heat while standing at the sink in the "unventilated" corner far from the window, having heard a lot of "fabrications" from all writers about "soft and green" who have no idea about air exchange in a "small" kitchen in 8.5 squares, flowing into a healthy corridor. ))))
The edge of the sink bowl is obtained approximately 5-10 cm from the window slope. With a 70th countertop, 2.25 on the side of the kitchen, which in this version allows you to lay a sewer line behind the furniture.
The sewer line is poorly accessible, as in the previous simple linear version you cannot get to it.
Furniture 20 cm moves under the window, so the location of the battery is important, despite the fact that they are in your niches. Since you are going to raise the kitchen, and judging by the photos from the neighbor's house, the window sill after the final copy turns out to be 4 centimeters higher than the standard kitchen tables, you can try to bring the kitchen counter and the window sill together. And you don't have to bother, do it like in the photo you took in the next house.
The radial piece near the sink may not be open, but closed by a facade, in the drawing room with which this picture was made, there is simply no 30 rounded module with a facade, and I am too lazy to paint on it by hand. Also, instead of a radius piece, there can be just a healthy rounded overhang of the tabletop, resting on some kind of bracket (s) or furniture support.
Furniture on the "short" side of the corner is 1.4 meters long, taking into account the 70 cm tabletop. The depth of the furniture along the "short" side of the corner is standard, with a table top 60 cm.
About 1.8-1.7 meters remain on the table. It is quite possible to stick a round table that your husband wants.



And the "prototype of the U-shaped kitchen" may have other variations.
You can push the oven into the layout in the picture under the cooking.
Or you can make the modules between the dishwasher and the sink and the module under cooking the same width, 50 cm each, then the kitchen looks more symmetrical, and it is more convenient to spin between the sink and the PMM, etc., etc., depending on which set you prefer soul.

More symmetrical:

[Lelka]

Lelka, of course you're right! BUT, in this particular case, based on the small size of the kitchen, the logic of my reasoning was as follows: I do not have a lot of work surface, the smallest freestanding stove is 50, the cooking hob is 30, 20 centimeters with my dimensions, do not use an unacceptable luxury! And I don't need so many burners.At home, my stove is covered with Teskom's silicone rug and there is a kettle and a cartoon on it, I uncover it when I use a frying pan or in the season of harvesting. But the 4-burner, Kaiser, never turned on two of the four burners



As I’m at the dacha, I’ll take a picture ... I keep thinking ... maybe I don’t have to make a table in the kitchen ... Maybe it’s better to make the kitchen P or L shaped, and the table in the living room ??? Brains are needed here renard

[Aunt Besya]

Aunt Besya, Elena, do you need an oven? Maybe it makes sense to buy a small stove or microwave oven with convection.

What are you? And buns, and cakes ?? And the meat ??? Nooooo, NO-FOR-FTO !!!!! I'd rather hide the pots in the pantry

Just make a 70 cm table.

I don’t understand ... Che-that many times this 70th tabletop pops up in messages.
For short people, a deep table ... Does everyone play basketball here?

And buns, and cakes ?? And the meat ???

then raise the oven higher. More ergonomic.

Here I stand facing my kitchen. I'm standing straight. I stretch out my outstretched hand. Exactly along the length of the arm from the shoulder to the wrist fold, a table is obtained, the palm rests against the wall. Height 170. And also +10 cm - I'll get it up to the apron, of course, but with the tips of my fingers, the emphasis on the palm without tilting is no longer possible.

I can `t get it...

Don't understand. You have to perceive. It's comfortable!

It's comfortable!

for people above average height?

[renard]

emphasis on the palm is no longer possible.

do not do it. Do as you like.




renard, are you Elena? Aunt Besya?

But the 4-burner, Kaiser, never turned on two of the four burners

Here is the same nonsense. Cooking for 4 burners, however, is electric, and more than two never work.

It seems that the domino would be enough, but how I see how small the distance between the burners is, how I will go to look again, and what is there with the 3-burner cooking, and whether the 3-burner cooking that suits me has appeared on sale - so I immediately calm down about replacing the cooking with a smaller one ...
For two, I'm afraid, I have a large saucepan and a frying pan for cooking at the same time.
For three, such as one wants, is never found. Or searched for, but at the price of an airplane wing. And in general, the choice of three-plate cooking in comparison with domino and four-plate cooking is not great.

for people above average height?

For all. ))

First, an increase in the width of the tabletop by some measly few centimeters gives a decent increase in the volume in the metaboxes below it.

Secondly, if you do not set as your goal the constant rummaging of the palms of the far wall (and we remember that some adherents of increased accuracy do not even use rails, that is, there is nothing to fumble about there at all), then for any kitchen desktop work we add space against the wall. While we are doing something at the edge, there may be a blender, graters, a small food processor, an electric kettle, several bowls of vegetables or a plate filled with pies. Not from the side, where at times strained with a place, namely in the distance, in front of us against the wall. I assure you that almost everyone can reach there.))

Well, the upper cabinets, of course, add to the bottom area, that is, objects are located more conveniently and denser.

My window sill flows into the countertop with cooking, the width there is about a meter. This would already be inconvenient "for every day", but even then there are objects that I can quite use if necessary.

For all. ))

First, an increase in the width of the tabletop by some measly few centimeters gives a decent increase in the volume in the metaboxes under it.

Maybe it will work with your 14 squares. In general, for all - definitely not.
In not very large kitchens, the countertop 10 centimeters deeper will gobble up space that may be needed for the convenience of using something else.
An example is the Patchouli kitchen (approximately 8.5 sq. M.). We put everything in line in the niche inherited from the developer.And in the corner of the ventilation box there is a refrigerator, which extends about 25 cm behind the box.With an ordinary countertop between the sink and the refrigerator, it turns out 0.5 meters.
And +10 cm to the countertop reduces this distance to about 40 cm, and a problem arises, like in the Blackout kitchen, when a tall object sticks out behind the back of a person standing at the sink at a short distance from the sink. Just not so sharp and fixable.
It turns out even more fun in the kitchen, like in Anya's or in my current kitchen (area approximately 7.3-7.5 sqm). An increase in the depth of the table eats a place on one side of the corner in which the corner kitchen is placed.
You can also recall the Blackout kitchen (6.5 sqm) and the kitchens of other forum users, who have even less.

Here is the same nonsense. Cooking for 4 burners, however, is electric, and more than two never work.

We also have 4 burners ... We would gladly change them to dominoes (probably 0) in order to increase the space.
The 3rd burner is very, very rarely in demand, and even more so the 4th.
But in this case, I think it's enough to buy an induction tabletop for 2 thousand and keep it somewhere in the closet.
Stops the need to replace countertops!

For all. ))

Che-that remembered. Once I drew a kitchen for a very tall guy. More precisely, he drew himself, and I just suggested options. The kitchen in the Khrushchev with redevelopment, with the unification of the kitchen and the room, in short, everything is tied together, and you have to look in the complex to see what happens to the apartment. Well, under his height, the bed in the bedroom turned out to have a sleeping place of at least 2.1 meters. And the rest of the hut, too, with the expectation of people with anthropometric data like Nikolai Valuev.
And after a while they came up with another hut for another friend. Well, I guess the guy is asking. We need to plan everything more. Wardrobes for outerwear are deeper, the bed is bigger, etc. I propose, but he takes the offer without enthusiasm. And already in private, it turns out that he has a height of 155, under which everything is short and small, and he is embarrassed to say about it.

Maybe it will work with your 14 squares. In general, for all - definitely not.

You can also recall the Blackout kitchen (6.5 sqm) and the kitchens of other forum users, who have even less.

You can't think of the Blackouts kitchen. Because to distort what is said unworthy ugly. It was about the actual convenience of extra centimeters applicable to growth. And not to the meters of the kitchen. I remind you.

[practically]

It was about the actual convenience of extra centimeters applicable to growth. And not to the meters of the kitchen. I remind you.

Let me remind you that you actually started a song about convenience in relation to the volume of storage places and the arrangement of objects on the countertop during work, but you did not write anything about convenience in relation to growth.

Because it is unworthy to distort what is said. It was about the actual convenience of extra centimeters applicable to growth.

Maybe you should start growing yourself dignity more beauty?
And then you yourself twist, and make comments to others.

Was this a convenience argument purely about height?

First, an increase in the width of the tabletop by some measly few centimeters gives a decent increase in the volume in the metaboxes under it.

Or maybe this is about "if you don't set the goal of constantly rummaging the far wall with your palms, then ... (many beeches) will be able to reach there practically each "which is not the same as compared to" just each "?

Secondly, if you do not set as your goal the constant rummaging of the palms of the far wall (and we remember that some adherents of increased accuracy do not even use rails, that is, there is nothing to fumble about there at all), then for any kitchen desktop work, we add space against the wall. While we are doing something at the edge, there may be a blender, graters, a small food processor, an electric kettle, several bowls of vegetables or a plate filled with pies.Not from the side, where at times strained with a place, namely in the distance, in front of us against the wall. I assure you that almost everyone can reach there.))
Well, the upper cabinets, of course, add to the bottom area, that is, objects are located more conveniently and denser.

Or this one, about the flow of countertops into the windowsill in your kitchen?

Well, the upper cabinets, of course, add to the bottom area, that is, objects are located more conveniently and denser.
My window sill flows into the countertop with cooking, the width there is about a meter. This would already be inconvenient "for every day", but even then there are objects that I can quite use if necessary.

Interestingly, our (a) doctor of near-furniture sciences drew at least one real project.
The impression is that I have picked up "smart" thoughts in fashion magazines and no more ... Everyone who writes about his convenient practical experience is now rudely closed his mouth. Something rudeness has become popular today ...

For all. ))

First, an increase in the width of the tabletop by some measly few centimeters gives a decent increase in the volume in the metaboxes below it.

Secondly, if you do not set as your goal the constant rummaging of the palms of the far wall (and we remember that some adherents of increased accuracy do not even use rails, that is, there is nothing to fumble about there at all), then for any kitchen desktop work, we add space against the wall. While we are doing something at the edge, there may be a blender, graters, a small food processor, an electric kettle, several bowls of vegetables or a plate filled with pies. Not from the side, where at times strained with a place, namely in the distance, in front of us against the wall. I assure you that almost everyone can reach there.))

Len, absolutely right! Here, for growth, the height of tables / pedestals is more important, not depth. And with a deep countertop against the wall, you can put a combine, a bread maker, and some other kitchen appliance that you don't want to take out every time. Well, of course, who likes to have appliances on the tabletop all the time.
I was not too lazy, I went to the kitchen, the countertop is 60cm, height, 170cm, my hand rests on the wall more than flat. I bought it by 10 cm, my hand also lay flat on the wall. The height of the worktop is 83cm from the floor to the top edge of the worktop. With a height of 90cm and a depth of 70cm, of course, I will no longer reach the wall with my full palm.

[Olya]

Olya, Ukka, I, with an increase of 172 Height of the working surface 91, table top 70. Quite calmly reach the wall. The top shelf of the dryer, where rarely used heavy glass dishes and molds are, I take out, on the toes. But what a luxury of a table. I come to another house, there are 60 tables. Some kind of cut off.
I will redo it.

I was thinking about a 70 cm countertop. I thought about how I tried 70 and 60 together in the salon. With my height 172 cm, 70 width and 92 height are more convenient for me. Let's think 🤔

[Patchouli_ t123]

Patchouli_ t123, correct thought !!!

With my height 172 cm. 70 width and height 92 are more comfortable for me. Let's think 🤔

going in the right direction)))))

And I would be glad 70cm, but the width of the kitchen is not enough

Yes, my height is 164 with a cap, and then I have a tabletop 91.))) He was a smart uncle who was a measurer and advised me to do this. He also advised the maximum possible length of the metaboxes, now we have them in two kitchens around a meter and this is also terribly convenient !!

[Anna]

Anna, wait a minute. Maybe once, and you will turn in another direction. While you look at the pictures, maybe he will give you an interesting idea

For three, such as one wants, is never found. Or searched for, but at the price of an airplane wing. And in general, there is not a great choice of three-burner cooking compared to domino and four-burner cooking.

Until recently, I did not even suspect about their existence, apparently they appeared not so long ago. I also look closely, a three-burner room would well save me space between the stove and the sink, they are all in one row by 2.5 m, including the refrigerator.

While we are doing something at the edge, there may be a blender, graters, a small food processor, an electric kettle, several bowls of vegetables or a plate filled with pies. Not from the side, where at times strained with a place, namely in the distance, in front of us against the wall. I assure you that almost everyone can reach there.))

Exactly, exactly, I am with my 1.65, I calmly reach out, I work from the end of the table dl. 80 cm, further behind it, on the window, there is an oven, and so even into it, across the table, I calmly "go in and out".

My countertop is now 83 cm high, 60 cm wide, I'm narrow, I always don't have enough space. Now they counted 70 for the dacha because the sewer pipe would otherwise not let the oven stand up. Time will tell how convenient it will be for me to maintain the apron, but still nothing less than 70 ..

[Lelka]

Lelka, I still have a wall to the window and so do not have enough. And the battery will prevent the drawers from being pulled out, and with a table top of 70 it will have to be shifted right under the edge of the window already. In short, from 60cm everything barely fits, with the correction of the clearance of the window, sill and with the shift of the battery.

[Anna]

AnnaI can't find your plan now.
And you did not consider the kitchen with the letter P and the central part is the windowsill. We always leave the window, and we dance along one wall or two. Just move away from standard solutions

[Lelka]

Lelka, no, I like to stand at the window, look out the window. Yes, and mom loves, and the son often does it. Therefore, the window is sacred. It must be accessible. We have some small things there near the large sash (we have it not divided evenly, but there are large and small sashes), which can be easily rearranged when washing a window or window sill. And I do not want to instruct something there. Well, there to fence with holes for warm air from the battery. Plus, I have a window sill about 81 cm from the floor, and I want tables 92. And I don't want to touch the window itself with alterations - we quite successfully changed the windows in 2006, the fittings are good, we did everything well too.

Just move away from standard solutions

My husband and I have already moved away. Now it will be necessary to find a company that will agree to do what we came up with

[Anna]

Anna, you can stand by the window in other rooms. And here is the kitchen. Every ten cm in price. And so you would have a wonderful work surface, a refrigerator on one side, a column with an oven on the other and a table in the corner. Okay. This is my view of the situation. Moreover, you bake a lot.

[Lelka]

Lelka, but we still put the oven in a column, only near the door. Just with the window, everything needs to be greatly altered in order to place something there.

Kind people. Here's another question that has arisen. We have a wall along which the kitchen stands and will stand. the set is cold - behind it there is a staircase in an unheated staircase. Is there a risk that mold will start growing there? It's just that now the tables don't fit snugly against the wall. But if we normally make an apron, the table moves up and there is a plinth, then below we will not get black there over time?

is cold - behind it is a staircase in an unheated staircase. Is there a risk that mold will start growing there?

Will not be. Mom's wall is on such a wall in the room .. Since 1972 nothing has started, not mold, not fungus.

[Galina]

Galina, Thank you. So I will calm my husband.

Lelka, I still have a wall to the window, and so there is not enough.

And as you don’t understand, it is not proper for experienced housewives to first look into the plan of your premises, as well as read all your writings about your family habits, those who wish and unwillingness, and then offer something.
And then the topic has gone far to see the message with the dimensions, it’s there to turn the pages back, even with an ardent desire to help you this is a very difficult task.

[renard]

renard, do not be mischievous.
You have one, I have opposite proposals. The correct solution lies somewhere in the middle. And in order to find it, you need to sort out not one, not two, or even 10 placement options

Lyolka, we put the oven in a column anyway, only near the door

You wanted a bevel or a radius ... Have you changed your mind?

Until recently, I did not even suspect about their existence, apparently they appeared not so long ago.

Three-burners? For a long time, about 20 years ago, or maybe even earlier. But the choice of three-burners is smaller, they cost more than cooks for 4 and 2 burners, and the gain in the length of the working surface is small. Approximately 15 cm. And if in the same place with the replacement of the countertop symmetrically into the module under the hood, then in general only 7-8 cm on each side of the cooking is added. Nothing more ...
Therefore, with dominoes, the solution is more common. Put in half a "plate" - and as much as 30 cm plus to the working surfaces is obtained.

We have a wall along which the kitchen stands and will stand. the headset is cold - behind it there is a staircase in an unheated entrance

We haven't started anything in 14 years. Everything is fine.

You there a bevel or a radius wanted ... Have you changed your mind?

Yes, my husband decided that we would make another dining table so that the entrance was normal and the column could fit there

This is what interested me very much. So far, you can't even approximately depict for the sake of appearance?

but here I sit, racking my head, how. While it turns out that the corridor will have to be shifted towards the room, the room will have to be slaughtered.

I'm waiting, I really want to see :-)

While at the level of a raw idea, maybe nothing worthwhile will turn out, then you need to think hard about all the premises at once.

We cut the room by about 1 meter. It turns out a straight line from the front door to the outer wall of the house. And in the resulting square with appendicitis at the entrance, we pile up all sorts of utility rooms and a bathroom fatter.

When I looked at Zemskova, he was so dashing, and they moved the wall according to the plan and it became much better. And it seems like it should be :-)

Another idea, too, still much to ponder. To slaughter the room, but not so much.

To the left of the entrance to the apartment, a square of about 1.5x1.5 meters is obtained. You should not make a dressing room out of this, if you do, then there is almost nowhere to take off your shoes and undress, but you can make some kind of wardrobe at the end of this dead end. 1.5 meters for two under outerwear, in my opinion, is not enough.
And on the sides of the cabinet there will be a little space for the "dirty" zone, in which you can take off your outerwear and take off your shoes. Thus, the most trampled piece of the hallway turns out to be away from the path from the kitchen to the bathroom and the path from the room to the bathroom.
And the bathroom is very enviable size.

Thank you, I will draw with the dimensions and furniture.

[Patchouli_ t123]

And if all else fails, then I have a solution for an L-shaped hallway with a similar turn, simply with cabinet furniture with swing facades. True, to put it, it is still better to move the partition into the room a little. The corridor is 1.4 meters too narrow in order to put some wardrobes for outerwear in it.
The wardrobe is about 62 cm deep. The corridor after turning 142 cm. If you put a closet along the corridor, there is a passage of 80 cm. For me, it is not enough and narrow.
For example. My current odnushka. Also a moronic L-shaped corridor, about the same width. On one side of the letter L, the width is about 1.4 meters, on the other - 1.6. Redevelopment is impossible, moving the doorway into the room is impossible, moving the entrance to the apartment too. Panel house. Was saved by radius furniture and a corner transition cabinet, from a depth of 62 to a depth of 37.
Such is the entrance hall with curved-streamlined furniture, smoothing out dirty corners:

Only bent furniture in your case will not solve the problem of a dirty hallway area, which intersects with the paths from the room to the bathroom and from the kitchen to the bathroom. This problem can be treated either by redevelopment, or by capturing part of the inter-apartment hall, if the floor layout allows. For example, negotiate with neighbors and put together an iron door to a common interroom hall. And in general, do not drag dirt into the apartment, leave your shoes and shoes in the hallway between apartments.They did so in my husband's apartment, however, he was not the initiator of this event, he was just against the common fund. Obshchaki do not lead to good, especially when they have many neighbors.
Well, the neighbors pressed, agreed. They put an iron door into an inter-apartment hall for 4 apartments. And each a shoe rack and a locker. The mirror was stuck. The result is a common dirty area for 4 apartments.
With cleaning on a schedule between co-owners. Today one neighbor washes the floor in the hallway, tomorrow another, etc.
And sometimes the layout of the floor allows one person to seize part of the inter-apartment hall.
I don’t see the floor plan, I don’t know if you can somehow grab something from the floor in favor of the dirty area of ​​the apartment. Well, in general, these are not our principles of life, to crawl out of the territory of the apartment and make plans for common property.



Patchouli_ t123, and also at the level of an idea. Cut one corner of the room, and move the door to the bathroom.

Then, in the hallway, cabinets with a length of about 3 meters are obtained. And to the left of the entrance to the apartment is a small patch to undress and take off your shoes. The passage from the kitchen to the bathroom is straighter, and the passage from the room to the bathroom is also straighter, without going around corners.

When I watched Zemskova

It is harmful to watch him a lot, and what he tells must be filtered. He does not always broadcast correctly. And it is better for repairmen to never stutter about a bald one from YouTube, and phrases from his vocabulary like "village layout" should not be used in conversation with them. If they watched it, they often do not digest it.

Yes, my husband decided that we would make another dining table so that the entrance was normal and the column could fit there

so in the same place a small distance from the column to the main headset is obtained. Will you shaman with a doorway?



Patchouli_ t123, well, I broke my eyes once again over the plans and photos that you posted. All the same, there is no clarity, so I will not draw anything definite on the redevelopment and arrangement of furniture around the apartment. And I do not advise you, a useless occupation in size from someone else's apartment to plan your own.
It is not clear where the hot water supply and cold water supply risers are, whether they are in the apartment at all, if not - where is the water supply to the apartment and where to plan the sanitary cabinet. There is no information on the height of the windowsills and the location of the batteries.
According to the arrangement of the electrical panel, what you write differs from what I see in the photo.
In short, you started early in the kitchen planning. You will waste a lot of time on drawing, then it turns out that what you have drawn cannot be realized.
From your words, it turns out that the sewer risers and the electrical panel are located like this:

But from those pictures that you took from a neighbor, I see that this arrangement does not match the photo.
For example, you write that in the kitchen the sewer outlet is in the corner, near the ventilation box a hole is punched for the pipe. But in the photo from your neighbor's apartment, I do not see any hole in this place, as well as the sewer outlet.
You write that the door to the kitchen cannot be moved to the side of the ventilation box, because there are communications. And then you post a photo with an electrical panel located in a healthy shtrab, on which the electrical panel is on the left in the direction of travel to the apartment from the front door, and not on the right.
With the dimensions on the plan, in general, you can break your eyes, some dimensions are unreadable.

Here will be a normal readable measurement plan indicating the location of the risers, batteries, the size of the batteries, the size of the niches for the batteries, the thickness of the walls, the height of the windowsills, etc. - then it will be possible to compose something concrete.
So far, based on the dimensions that you gave, we can say that the column from the drying and washing machine will fit into the bathroom without redevelopment.
The kitchen can also be furnished without redevelopment.
With the furnishings of the entrance hall and the paths through the apartment from room to bathroom, from kitchen to bathroom, from the front door to the bathroom, everything turns out badly without redevelopment.
The hallway and the corridor are large, but inadequate, and even expensive radius furniture will not really save the situation.
In the room, it is relatively easy to treat the problem of going to the bathroom - move the doorway so that the door from the room does not go out to the front door, but into the corridor next to the door to the bathroom.
In the kitchen, a similar problem of going to the bathroom without redevelopment is not treated ...