Facades - two doors, width depending on the width of the cabinet, well, they will be 40 cm.
No no. Two doors 40 each - this is 80 underframe. The width, which is less than which in those pictures that I drew for Blackout, did not recommend cutting the sink.
But then there were opinions: "how can it be, so much space under the corner sink will be lost", and then opinions: "why is the underframe under the sink so healthy, at least 80 wide. Draw us a picture with a sink 60". So I drew. Now I ask. And what will happen to the facades and how to use this sink "with good access"?
renard, so there is only sideways and you have to stand, why stand with your face in the wall ??
The conversation was about caring for fat, inflexible, old people. And also about ensuring good access to the sink. And then suddenly there a grandmother suffering from obesity and arthrosis will climb to clean the sewer line.
Facades - two doors, width depending on the width of the cabinet
That is, in the 60th sink there will be two doors 30 each, and in order for a hypothetical obese grandmother-arthroznitsa with a plumbing hobby to get into the sink to clean the siphon on her own, she will need to open the right sink door 180 degrees and being facing the sink, sliding along the wall refrigerator to sit at the sink? Or move the refrigerator to begin with?
renard, you don't have a door, just an opening? Otherwise, I don’t understand how to use the refrigerator then? Or sliding?
There is a door, it does not open into the kitchen, but towards the corridor. On that plan, the dimensions in places differ from those that I actually have, this is a plan of a similar apartment in the same series of houses, but not mine.
But the length and width of the kitchen are almost the same. And I showed this plan as an example of a layout in which a linear kitchen turns out worse than a corner one. I can cite more such examples.
Khrushchebs, for example, re-planned. A common redevelopment for Khrushchev was to remove the partition between the kitchen and the room, cut the corridor that led to the kitchen between other rooms, in the kitchen a niche for the refrigerator was made from part of the corridor.
Kitchen in a line in a redesigned Khrushchev. Everything fit. Only the sink in the corner, the PMM next to the oven (which turned out to be wrong) and the longest work surface is the windowsill.
Kitchen corner in a redeveloped Khrushchev. Design "hello from the 90s", but apart from the bar counter and the strange direction of opening the refrigerator door, a very well thought-out work area, clearly fits more and more conveniently.
And the bar is there, perhaps for a reason. Maybe there is a large table to meet guests in room A, the counter is for a snack for two and an additional work surface.
So not always, not always, a linear kitchen is better than a corner one. The size of the room depends on the location of windows, doors, risers.
renard, so there is only sideways and you have to stand, why stand with your face in the wall ??
Okay. We draw according to your considerations of convenience. Linear kitchen. Sink 80. 2 facades of 40. Bowl in the corner. On one facade, hinges with 180 degree opening angle.
And next to the kitchen at a distance of 41-42 cm is the refrigerator, which is higher than the washing machine, which makes it difficult to freely rotate in the passage of such a width.We do not consider it necessary to increase the passage due to the doorway, the sink user does not need to turn in the passage, it is enough that he can pass sideways.
Is that correct?
fat, old, inflexible old ladies:
In taking care of the thick, old, inflexible, as well as maximum convenience of using the sink and efficient use of space, we think over the daily movements of the old woman at the sink. The most frequent reason for which she will open the sink, if we do not compose some separate cabinet for her for a trash can or a freestanding trash can, and do not put a disposer, is opening the sink for throwing out the garbage. Right?
Now imagine. A fat old woman crawled sideways between the refrigerator and the sink into the corner. Standing at the sink, polishing potatoes. The cleaning person wants to throw it in the trash. The trash can, most likely in all, is in the sink on the right, because on the left in the sink of the sewer pipes.
What, in your opinion, will the grandmother's movements be if she cannot turn freely in the aisle? Should the grandmother somehow squeeze into a 40x42 corner and open the right sink door? Or should the grandmother come out sideways from behind the sink and open the door?
Was it convenient?
Okay, we'll have pity on grandma. Let's ask the plumbers to make the pipes more compact on the left and put a bucket on the left.
Grandmother asked for more shelves under the casseroles and was very happy to think of a shallow table between the refrigerator and the sink, but she is old and does not understand anything about furniture.
We will make shelves for her pots in the sink. Deeper, more sweeping, in which you have to reach more. On right.
Introducing the grandmother again. She peeled the potatoes, threw away the peeling, and now wants to remove the pan from the sink.
What will be the movements of the grandmother?
Or here's another important nuance. Our grandmother arranged a gathering with her friends. The girlfriends left, the dirty dishes remained. Grandma was about to wash the dishes. And so that it was convenient for her to load the dishes, the PMM was specially placed in one line, and not at an angle to the sink. Crawled, then, the baushka sideways to the sink.
And he wants to put the dishes from the sink in the PMM. Grandma's movements during this action?
Will she make all movements strictly facing the sink, or will it still be more convenient for her to turn around in the aisle not with her face, but sideways to the sink?
There are very different washers in depth, you can choose one that can be hung on the facade.
You can hang the facade on a washing machine designed to be built into furniture.
The Blackouts already have a typewriter, it is not intended to be built into furniture with a depth of 45.
Yes, some lovers of "beautiful" shallow non-built washing machines are installed in kitchen tables, pushing them deeper into the table and getting inconveniences with a tray for powder.
But installing a non-built-in typewriter on a table requires more space than you thought. The sides of the cabinet itself are approximately 3.2 cm. Plus gaps so that the machine does not touch the walls of the cabinet and so that the furniture hinges fit. And it turns out not 60 cm under the washer, and not even 62, but about 70 cm.
Another "esthete" teaches how to stick a washer into the kitchen and close it with facades: