Girls ... it's more active here .. can I cry here too !!! help me with icing ... I needed icing to apply it through the stencil ... my husband cut out the stencil ... and I had to knead the icing ...
did it strictly according to the recipe from Eddie Spence, only a third of the norm: for 30g of protein, 152g of powder .. I poured powder on the proteins, at first at a slow speed - then on the middle one beat it with whisk of a mixer ... beat it whipped ... but the peaks do not work out ... only viscous liquid ... like snot ... and not white, but some kind of gray ... what could be the problem?
Lyaila, what are you whipping in? In what dishes?Grayness comes from contact with aluminum. And how long did it beat? I also whipped icing the last time for 30 g of protein + 150 g of sugar. powder + 2-3 drops of lemon juice. Thought Kenwood couldn't whip up such a small amount. But no. Everything worked out great.
Lyaila, but you are not the first to say that a full norm or a third of the norm is not whipped well! How long did you beat? sometimes it seems that it is a long, long time (especially when it is very necessary to do it quickly), but in fact only 5 minutes have passed. sometimes it takes 20 minutes to beat
Lyudochka, thanks for the answer ...
Whipped in a metal bowl ... I have it from the kitchen scales ... sooo comfortable .. and definitely metal!
Whipped for 15 minutes! The mixer I have is an old Moulinex, but I use it for a fondant and a Hegaev one ... I don’t know what could be wrong ...
Alena, hello ... thanks for your attention to my question ... I whipped it for 15 minutes ... at 10 minutes the mass was whiter, but Zhizka was the same ... Or maybe it really should have been longer to whip ... and I even had lemon juice did not add ... standing in the cup now ... tomorrow I will torment a new portion ...
Lyaila, I only got icing when I started whipping with Kenwood. Tame, too, it was liquid. The truth once achieved the desired consistency and manual.Gave a little liquid icing to stand, which, well, did not want to thicken. After a short period of time, she took it and began to beat again. I beat it for a long time and it turned out about a miracle. But I have never had icing gray.
Maybe someone else will tell you something. I'm not very good at icing.
Lyaila, just go to sleep, go to bed! otherwise we have here almost 2 am, and in the morning everything will work out with a fresh mind. maybe add powder to this amount of protein? maybe some kind of powder, a thread, caught ...
Oh, here Luda wrote that she could beat it later. and for sure, because if ready-made icing is in the refrigerator for at least a day (and it happened to me for three days), then you need to beat it a little before using it. in the morning try to beat this portion again before kneading a new one. Yeah .. I'll try to beat .... thanks for the advice !!!! Yes, there is no time to sleep ... now we need to blind the ponies ... so my night !!!!
Lyudochka ... I don’t have Kenwood .... it turns out that I do not have enough relics of my mixer, but maybe I can try to beat at a high speed ... my maximum speed will still be less than that of Kenwood! Natasha Nansy answered me in a personal and said that maybe there are still problems due to the fact that a third of the norm did ... tomorrow I will try a full portion ... well, I'll beat it a little more ... Well, I'll experiment with speed ...
Thank you very much all of you girls for not leaving me alone with my problem ... and helped! I'll come and report back !!!!
I always whip icing with a hand mixer, a weak 200-watt one, always excellent icing turns out! True, I have never tried less than a full portion.
Yeah .. Natasha, everything is clear !!! in the morning I will knead a full portion with my hand ... I have it 350 watts ... then it will pull normally! Thank you! all clear!!!
uuuuf, girls, you gave me hope ... that I can do icing ... royal ... otherwise I was already upset and unstuck ... I thought it was not my business ... to knead icing ... well Thank you all for your answers, for your help and tips !!! in the morning I will torment a new portion of icing !!! (Well, I’ll still finish today's gray one tomorrow !!!) And I’ll report back !!! Well, then I'll come here with cookies !!!
Natalia, here I am the same, I have a usual mixer, but I always make a full portion, and I always miss
ZeZe, Lyaila, I personally do not always adhere to clear proportions, if the icing does not thicken - I add a little powder until the desired density is obtained, especially since 30 g is the mass of the protein of an average egg, I always have very large eggs, sometimes even 40-42 g. If the eggs are not very fresh, then the protein is also more watery and whipped worse, in which case more powder will be required. The gray color can still give a large amount of starch in the powder, especially if it is potato starch.
If I buy a new powder, I always check if there is starch, some unscrupulous manufacturers keep silent that it is in the composition of the powder, or they deceive that there is only 10 percent permitted according to GOST, but in fact everything is 20-30 ...
Lerochka, thank you very much ... for the tip ... and for sharing your experience !!! Well, I'll try! I haven't thrown away this mini portion yet ... I will torment and stir in the morning ... let's see what comes of it ... but I was afraid to add more ... there is no experience in this, so I don’t feel it ... should I or not it is necessary to mix more ... so I will experimentally bring out the desired consistency!
but as for the powder, I don’t know ... I always take this one .. it is ours, Kazakhstani, local ... in quality of course ... how to put it mildly ... well, I will not voice it ... and I have no doubt that in there is more starch than necessary ... maybe that's why mastic recently, as it does not work out very well ... even a fondant .. always mixed and it turned out with a bang! but in the last 2-3 times - some kind of not so ... loose or something ... it sticks terribly ... also not snow-white, as if ... straight and I don't know ...
Well, I'll try to check for the presence of starch ... I read somewhere here that in order to check if there is starch in the powder, you need to put a teaspoon of boiling water in the powder and see - if the water is clear, then the powder is excellent! if it is cloudy, then there is a lot of starch in it ...
Lyaila, I know that I am not doing icing according to the rules, but after a situation like yours (the only time I poured all the powder into unbeaten protein at once and it turned out to be a creamy mass, and instead of icing.Maybe it took longer to beat, but I didn't guess) Now I beat the whites well, and then add the powdered sugar gradually and beat at medium speed. Everything seems to be working out fine.
Probably I didn't write it clearly, but I'm already sleeping over the keyboard
oooh ... that I didn't see your message yesterday ... so I suspect now that I didn't finish off my icing ... this morning I checked the powder - clean, without impurities! then this option disappears! all that remains is what I did not finish ... so I will correct myself! I'll finish the cake now, I'll give it back ... I'll sleep for a couple of hours ...
I'll come to my senses a little... and continue to master icing !!!
Thanks for the help!
Girls, I always do everything at once, that is, I pour all the powder into the whites and beat, including with a hand mixer, especially if I do not need a full portion, then I beat it manually. This does not affect the correctness of the icing. Perhaps the powder is really with potato starch. But for 1/3 of a portion of icing, lemon juice, you need 1-2 drops, so do not overdo it.
aha ... Lisa, thanks for the answer ... and for your participation ... I will try again! Well, I didn't get to lemon juice ... I whipped and whipped ... it was all viscous and gray ... well, I stopped the whole process .. and I didn't even add lemon juice!
well thank you girls! We will try! I should have when the thread will turn out ...
ZeZe, Lyaila, hello fellow countrymen and what kind of powder do you take? I now use a premix, and before that I took royal powder, and it was whipped normally with a hand mixer. Only I, and the squirrel also weighed on the scales. I did it from one squirrel too. Then I also found finely ground powder, but there was definitely starch there, because it set very quickly and the pouring turned out to be ugly.
Victoria, hello ... I'm very glad that there are more fellow countrymen !!! and I take the powder ... uh ... well, ours ... which is in bags of 5 kg .. and the royal and premix is hto .. I checked my powder in the morning ... I put a teaspoon in half a glass of boiling water - the result: perfect clear water !!! means - powder without impurities !!!
oooh !!! exactly! I had a thought at night ... or maybe I should have sifted through organza
or stocking, because of this, there can be no puncture either ... well, I also weighed protein and powder on the scales ... (I’m still a full kettle .. so I always strictly follow the recipe and always weigh everything on the scales!: umnik2: too early for amateur performances)
and what city are you from, maybe we live next door ... we will run for a gull-cake ...
Thank you for your attention and help !!!
ZeZe, Lyaila, it's you and Alena, DaNiSa, you can gather for a seagull))) And I'm in Pavlodar, in the north))) You will be in our area, run
Girls, I really want to get to MK for gingerbread to a good master, but unfortunately far from Moscow and St. Petersburg. Do you know if someone is giving master classes in Novosibirsk or Omsk? Only for the master to be an ace)))
You can also drop a drop of iodine into the solution of powdered sugar, if the solution turns blue, then there is starch, this method allows you to identify even a slight admixture of starch.
Girls, I read you and I suffer, everyone has such beauty, but I can't even show my crafts, the camera is broken
thanks for the advice, I'll try too ...
so at least take a picture on your phone! and then edit it in Photoshop, it will work out more or less, it's better than nothing when you want to boast!
ahh ... clear ... far from us ... thanks ... I'll keep in mind ...
ooo, I would also like to take courses on gingerbread ... in general, on icing, on modeling ... on 3d cakes ... ooo, a lot of things I want ... but so far it is pricking ...